Friday, March 11, 2011

Ronnie Wouldn't Be Happy

Let me first say that I was never a fan of Reagan. But those in the GOP who claim him as their idol should heed what he said and at least some of what he did - including raise taxes.


5 comments:

denbec said...

Another one for you Thohea!

Andre said...

Cool! Thank you! What an unexpected treat.

But it's always somewhat of a shock to be reminded what a truly great national leader sounds like (watching that clip, it's hard not to think about how unimpressive and insubstantial our current President seems in comparison, but then again, there are few in modern American history who could stand toe to toe with Ronaldus Magnus!).

And if he had been talking in that context about public sector unions, as opposed to private sector unions, it might even have had some relevance to recent conversations on this very blog.

But please, keep embedding Reagen videos at The Public is Revolting...it really classes the joint up!

denbec said...

Jobs are jobs. The government is a business just like the private sector. People work for the gov. because there are things that need to be accomplished. They have the same rights and responsibilities of any American worker. Including collective bargaining. The reason why collective bargaining is needed in the gov. is because people like you think that all workers should be paid the minimum someone can get by paying them. Actually people like you think federal workers should get much less than the private sector because you so despise having to pay taxes to fund needed social programs like teachers, police, fire fighters, etc. That's the bottom line.

Jobs are jobs. When someone like our Governor here in Fl gets in office promising new jobs - then immediately cuts thousands of federal jobs, those people are out of work. Those are jobs lost not jobs gained. Those people are unemployed. Those lives are affected.

Jobs are jobs.

denbec said...

Andre - your post isn't showing for some reason so I'll re-post it and comment later. If you meant to delete it please let me know and I'll remove it again.

Denbec
Jobs are jobs.

Andre
I think this is the root of your misunderstanding. If "job are jobs" was true, then the communist east, where everyone had a "job" and the official unemployment rate was zero, should have buried the West economically, but the exact opposite happened.

According to your reasoning, if we just converted every private sector job to a public sector job, then nothing would change, right? After all, "jobs are jobs". But of course we both know that a lot would change; the United States would overnight become as poor as Cuba or Zimbabwe, and millions would starve to death.

The issue isn't just "jobs". It is productivity and the creation of wealth (broadly defined)that distinguishes successful economies from the world's basket cases.

Denbec
...people like you think that all workers should be paid the minimum someone can get by paying them.

Andre
Well, yeah...of course, that is the very definition of a free market. If I can get someone to paint my house for $25/hr, why would I offer him $80/hr.?

Likewise, when you go to the grocery store and at the check-out the total comes to $100, have you ever once in your life said to the cashier "Here's $300, because I think you should earn more money".?

Of course you haven't, because if you were to regularly behave in such a recklessly foolish economic manner, you would soon face complete financial ruin.

Try applying the same common sense rules that guide your own personal budget to your thinking about the state and federal budgets, and you will quickly see that the Republicans are actually making a lot more sense then you give them credit for.



Posted by Andre to The Public is Revolting at 12:55 PM

denbec said...

Andre - you imply that I (we) believe that all jobs should be government jobs - as in the government controls everything. I guess that's where the Republican party misunderstands the Dems. We certainly do not believe that - however, we understand there are functions that the Gov. must control (education, police, fire fighters etc.) and those employees have the same rights and responsibilities as the private sector.

Regarding your comment about paying more for services - It should be noted that I am very careful where I shop. Of course I am forced to look for the lowest price since I'm paid the lowest wage, but I always take into account how that price got so low. I refuse to shop at Walmart and other places known to use severely underpaid overseas workers. I'd rather pay $1 more for a product that someone else got a fair wage to produce. I find it incredibly ironic that people who identify as Republican and support massive corporations are the very same who support severely underpaid workers - most of whom could look in the mirror and see. I agree with you - the Republican theory of economy is the generation of wealth (for a few). The Democratic theory is the generation of a sustainable life for most Americans. It is a fundamental difference.

As a Democrat - I support fair wages and fair prices.